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Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

chetlyzarko — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:56:30 -0000

How old were you? What a ridiculous question.

Since I was an adult them, I remember. If you look at my comment closely, I took no position on the cause(s) of the crisis or link to Clinton - merely on your assertion of constitutional facts about veto-proof votes.

I actually think its unfair to criticize Clinton significantly for that legislation (both parties got involved in that one), or to pin the whole blame for today on the legislation. Similarly though, it was part of the problem, and its unfair to blame Bush entirely or any President for large economic forces that are difficult to predict. Indeed, I'd give them little credit for growth, either. Enron, for example, was largely belly-flop from the over-exuberant 90s (and Greenspan predicted it in outline even in the 90s although he didn't know WHICH companies would be the ones) - the irony is that much of the blame for even obviously 90s bubble bursts transferred to Bush.

And how ridiculous it is to suggest a President doesn't have any other choice "politically" -- we hire Presidents to make tough political choices sometimes despite the consequences. You're saying Clinton was a follower - not a leader. I don't know whether he's that simple of a figure - but it is the logical conclusion of your defense.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

chetlyzarko — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:44:19 -0000

I have no idea who albaby is, but I suspect its someone who has taken interest in the story because its become so overblown and that they don't believe the hype. I would suggest its unfair to label albaby a troll just because of a few comments, unless he's being uncivil and then I'd agree with you.

And you are welcome to comment on my sites as long as you maintain civil discourse. I'm not telling you how to run your site - that is almost entirely at your speech and property rights discretion - I'm just pointing discrepancies in how you advertise your product with what it really is. And I'm hardly here often enough to truly bother you. I'll leave it at that.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:51:05 -0000

Do you seriously think that Clinton politically had any other choice in 1999? How old were you then -- do you remember what was going on at that point in time?

Get your history straight.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:39:24 -0000

albaby is the newest spam-troll at this site, and their efforts will be addressed as we deem fit.

Would you like us to come and tell you how to run your sites, Zarko?

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

chetlyzarko — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:29:53 -0000

And so is yours, including 1) your violation of your own policy against ad homimen ("your ability to read") 2) it seems to me that albaby is suggesting that if you had the need to "clarify" or whatever euphemism you prefer one portion of an article, the other portions credibility is cast into doubt. This is not a suggestion of intentional misconduct by the author - just evidence supporting a pattern of misunderstanding by the author and perhaps subconscious bias.

Since MM admits to "not being an MSM site" and admits to advocacy journalism, it admits to having biases. Since you admit through your attacks on my own (admitted) bias that bias removes the credibility of my writing, you are by a logical application of consistency admitting that MM has no credibility.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

chetlyzarko — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:22:25 -0000

Rayne, a "veto proof" bill does not make "impossible for Clinton" to do anything but sign legislation. The President is under no obligation to sign any legislation - it simply becomes law without Presidential veto if the requisite number of Senators and Representatives vote for it to override a veto. Get your Constitutional facts straight.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:02:55 -0000

Did you happen to notice that there was NO RETRACTION of any of the reporter's work in regards to Macomb County GOP Chair's comments?

So far your ability to read is highly selective.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:26:15 -0000

Your response in the Messenger is hilarious.

Messenger clarifies Ohio official’s remark LOL
So the Messenger clarified HIS remarks, not it's misrepresentation of his remarks-nice spin! LOL

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:22:01 -0000

I tried them for the fourth time and they worked just fine. Here is the headline iof the article you can't seem to find.

Mich. Messenger agrees it misstated GOP comments

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:13:15 -0000

With that article we can say you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:11:31 -0000

Actually, they don't. The two links above take people to a list of links at MLive.com, a default page.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:10:42 -0000

In your opinion, of course. I'm sure the Rockefeller Foundation's and Open Society's and other donors' money didn't fall from the clouds like manna from heaven. There was probably some good old fashioned smarts and labor along with conservation of resources that eventually became capital -- unless, of course, you have a problem with smarts, labor and careful investment of capital, and the free choice to apply them as individuals see fit.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:02:05 -0000

You may wish to retry the links I posted-the ones you claim are broken. And yes, I did read the list of donors-such as George Soro/s Open Society, Rockefeller foundation etc . All far to the left.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:49 -0000

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.a...

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:23 -0000

the links work. What are you talking about? Is it just that you don't want peopleto see the article?

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:31:48 -0000

Actually, it took since 1999 when McCain's economic adviser Phil Gramm rammed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley legislation through, gutting the Glass-Steagall Act. The bill was veto proof, making it impossible for Clinton to do anything but sign it.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:28:00 -0000

We'll take this reference to be meant kiddingly.

Future references to violence may be in violation of the site's comment policy.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

russtic — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:13:49 -0000

I'm begining to understand Timothy McVeigh.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:29:25 -0000

Ad hominem comments are not compliant with the site's comment policy.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:28:26 -0000

You have posted a broken link twice. Please make sure the next one works or it and these other two broken links will be removed as clutter.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

Rayne1 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:26:41 -0000

You can find a list of our donors in the footer of this page, at the link labeld "Our Funding".

There was no misstatement of the Macomb County Republican Party Chair's statement regarding the use of foreclosure lists, nor any misstatement about other methods being employed by the GOP that the chair did not want to disclose. You may wish re-read the article to acquaint yourself with those quotes.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:13:23 -0000

Sorry, here's page 1. Also note that it is an Associated Press article.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.s...

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

albaby — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:10:21 -0000

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.s...

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

HAs — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:02:03 -0000

Albaby,

Do you have evidence that is contrary to what "Messenger has published? If so, please state the evidence here for everyone to read. You cannot just call a man a thief without telling us what he has stolen. "Messenger" stated that the GOP Operatives plan to use the list of homeowners who had lost their homes due to foreclosure proceedings from a donor who is a strong supporter of GOP and who owns a company processing foreclosed homes. If your evidence is contrary to this, please let the world know about it. Please I am waiting to read your refuting evidence. Please make no mistake, I am not a Democrat. Thanks.

Re: Lose your house, lose your vote

johndowd — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:46:08 -0000

I have been involved in a foreclosure since 2006, from mistakes made 2-years before that, 2004, by one of the mortgage-servicing-company that we hear about in the news...hint, they were the first ones that got the bail out... on a Sunday...my 750 credit score has been completely destroyed...and I don't believe that I can recover...but who cares, I'm just a "peeon"! Why has this matter dragged out so long....the mortgage company knows that they screwed up but they don't want to pay for damages, and my legal expenses...they are just letting the debt mount, and says they are using my credit as "leverage" against me...it is not right...and it's an abuse of power....you better believe I have suffered greatly during this time in more ways than one, as I waiting for them to finish this matter....if this huge mortgage company has handled other clients as poorly as they have handled mine, no wonder our nation is in a mortgage crisis...I did do some research and there are others who have complained about this mortgage-servicing company on death ears, like blogs too...I have boxes of proof that this mortgage company shows a total disrespect for the customer....the mistakes are clear and proven, yet it drags on year by year, out of my control... I am a victum of their mistake...So does this mean that I may loose my right to vote while this thing is in litigation....it's bad enough that the last 4-years of my life has been on hold!!!!! while they get RICHER!!!!