DISQUS

Frankster · 1 year ago

They were paying people to get signatures.... I didn't sign the stem cell petition when I heard a student break down and cry "WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GET THOSE Embryo's?" 

Haven't they been trying to get medical mary jane into law for a long time?  I think people would be just growing the stuff for a sick relative.  :P

Didn't know about the Government intiative.  I don't think they should be messing with our representives. 

So let me guess out of state organizations were paying these people to get signatures. 

LoRayne Apo-Joynt · 1 year ago

So where do they get the embryos, Frankster? Did you read the fine print of the ballot initiative?

Did it clearly say whether these were embryos that were going to be discarded since their donors didn't want them?  Or did it say aborted embryos?

Is it moral to simply toss out discarded embryos while denying folks facing a lifetime of illness -- or a painful death -- simply because somebody couldn't be bothered with doing their homework on a ballot initiative?

Tony Collings · 1 year ago

Pro-life These embryos will be discarded, whether or not Michigan scientists do research with them that could lead to cures and save lives. I'd rather see the research done. That's a pro-life position.

Frankster · 1 year ago

so it's pro choice to be conflicted. So having a inner fued about the thought of scrabbling a test tube baby just to inject it's continents into someone who has experienced the pain and joys of life is pro choice? 

LoRayne Apo-Joynt · 1 year ago

Being conflicted means you need to sort it out I don't need to; I have family members who suffer from congenital illnesses that will kill them.

If the donors of embryos that are never destined to be implanted -- and might still fail even if they were ever implanted -- decide that these soon-to-be-discarded embryos are to be used to save others lives, I don't personally have a problem.  But then I have this horrible progressive value of saving the lives of humans who are already here with us, not the dreams of babies that will never be.

There are future mothers and fathers and their children that can be saved with stem cell research garnered from these soon-to-be-discarded embryos, too.  Save a frozen embryo for the trash, or save the children and parents of the future?

Hardly a choice for me.

Todd A. Heywood · 1 year ago

Frank its about choice First, let's be clear about this. The embryos exist and are literally sitting around in deep freezes. Bush sought to stop experimentation on stem cells from embroyos because it played to the right to life agenda, while ignoring the significant potential for bringing about cures for many things, including HIV or depression.

Second, there already has been a choice made. The embryos have been discarded by the biological parents because they got one to take hold and grow into a child which they are raising and living with. They have no need for the frozen clumps of cells.

Thirdly, being pro-choice, for me anyway, is about allowing others to do with their bodies as they fit-- just as the LGBT movement is about doing with the bodies of consenting adults as they choose to do. The embyros have already been relegated to a deep freeze of oblivion, why not revive the choice they represent and use them in vital research which could save the lives of thousands, hundreds of thousands, of Americans?

As a sidenote, the pro-lifers are fabulous at sobbing about fetuses, but you never see them fighting to end poverty for the children they are forcing women to have by taking their choice away, now do you? They are pro-life from conception to birth, then neglectful to life from that point on. You also find most pro-lifers are pro-death penalty, an irony all in itself.

I guess what I am saying is you have to look at things from a bigger picture, and logically Frank. Some college girl crying about clumps of cells that have been abandoned to a deep freeze does not negate the very real, positive impact those tissues may have in saving real lives of people already abandoned by the pro-life movement.